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Discussion in '1989-1995 Build-Up/Project Threads' started by Litneon, Mar 26, 2010.

  1. NashMan

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    So, you're saying I was there the right time of year... I really did enjoy the stays up there. Very beautiful. I would definitely bring my family there for vacation.
     
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    So I re-read, and saw the photos for your door pods, and them installed are now gone...care to post new ones?

    Oh, and I see where you shaved the intake, whats up with the former PCV valve, just eliminated? Sorry if its obvious..i just thought those were things we had to live with
     
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    I deleted the PCV altogether. It's not really required unless you have state inspections (as far as I know). You can vent to atmosphere through a catch can. It's supposed to be better to have the vacuum present in the crankcase on an NA motor, the vacuum is supposed to help seat the rings.

    I'll go through and update the links if I can.
     
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    So on my na motor keep it. Ok. I do wanna shave that intake though. TIG? Since it's cast aluminum?
     
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    Yep. And degrease it, then torch the crap out of it to try and burn the oil and carbon type stuff out of it. It welds ok, but like cast... good cast aluminum.

    You can ditch it and go catch can only. It's only a suggestion, I (personally) really doubt that the slight bit of vacuum at part throttle really does much in comparison to the pressure on the other side of the rings.
     
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    Tisk tisk on the pvc venting to a can just makes not as good and makes things leak easier in less there rather large vents then it can be ok


    funny part is you know whaqt it does but ya did not do it ????
     
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    Tell me again the benefits. Specifically?

    I stated the "purpose", then stated why I think the purpose isn't that big a deal.

    The only time the crankcase sees much of a vacuum with a PCV is at idle or deceleration. So during either of those two cases, you aren't making power that would benefit from "more seated" rings. The argument is nil in my opinion.

    In an NA motor, under partial load (not idle or decel) the combustion chamber pressures are somewhere around 15 bar *(according to the ol' interweb). That means that if the rings saw the entire vacuum that could be generated at idle, it's only a 7% increase in relative seating pressure. But that can't happen. As soon as you crack the TB, most of vacuum goes away. The harder you are under throttle, the less vacuum the crankcase sees.
    At full load, the combustion chamber pressures are upwards of 50 bar. At those pressures, the vacuum at idle is only around 2% of the effective pressure. But again, it doesn't matter because the engine doesn't make vacuum under load (ideally).

    This is really all negligible anyway. The PCV only actuates when the TB plate is closed anyway. As soon as it opens, the PCV closes and the crank case blow by is pulled through the front vent in the valve cover through the TB, and into the combustion chamber.

    This whole mod is to keep from pulling the crankcase pressure and oil particles that travel with it from running through the intake, TB, and rest of the system.

    The couple percentage points of extra relative pressure to help seat the rings at idle will never be noticeable on these engines.



    BTW, I just found all the bold, italics buttons....:D
     
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    Litneon for the win.
     
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    So, let me see if I am right. This AC valve and the VSV. The large hose from the front of the TB, thats the passageway the air takes to bypass the throttle body on its way to the intake plenum. However, its stopped at the diaphragm. The spring screw adjusts HOW MUCH air gets through. The small vacuum lines that go to the VSV, only one sees vacuum all the time, the other hose gets vacuum when the VSV is activated, thus allowing vacuum to reach the AC valve, which pulls on the diaphragm, opening it, allowing the amount of air that the spring screw is set at to flow through the AC valve, into the plenum, thus raising idle.

    Correct?
     
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    Yep. You could simplify and get rid of that setup altogether and go with an adjustable solenoid, but you'd have to do some research to see what kind of signal or load the AC amplifier can handle. .....So there wasn't a solenoid controlling a diaphragm....
     
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    Litneon, might have missed it in this thread but I seen it once somewhere of a little more detail or pics of how u set up the trigger wheel behind the crank pulley and the sensor mount? thinking bout this setup on my turbo truck. I'm running MSPNP and just trying to get some ideas together.

    another thing regarding the current AC idle discussion... why not use the jeep IAC adapter with a block off on the stock water controlled unit? then have the benefit of MS controlled engine idle control? least that's what I had in mind.

    thanks
     
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    You sure could. But in his case, he's still running the factory ECU, so that's out of the question.

    And as far as the trigger wheel build, I posted a few pics, but the rest of that mod was kinda done on the fly. I can machine a wheel and oil pump for you, or you could do it (or have it done) yourself.
     
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    what has to be done to the oil pump?
     
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    It has to be machined to clear the trigger wheel.
     
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    pm me what would u charge do one kind sir?
     
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    I could not find the all bold, italics button but all just have to use ye old plain text with added horrible grammer and spelling :)

    That is ture about the pcvbut your forgetting something its called piston ring leakage were a proper sized vent is needed. A pcv is all so made for emissions so the vapor can be re burt.

    The 22re is good for venting thanks to the big channle for the timing chain but the stock system is rather small for high comp or boosted applications and ya chopped it in half

    With my motor i have the stock system still and but once I turbo it i will be increaseing its size to help pervent ring flutter on deceleration and better control for your oil control rings


    deceleration is were the pvc system does most of its job




    lc answer to this is add 2 k&n beather filters and make the tree huggers cry
     
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    Under boost the PCV is closed. Soooo.... It doesn't aid in venting at that point.

    You said that, which is why I'm confused. It's true. My deleting the PCV didn't help or hurt the venting of the crankcase. True, it may be undersized, but it's all the engine originally had and all that the 22rte has.

    On the stock setup, only one aids in venting at a time (really). I mean technically, now that I think about it... Because of the front vent being in front of the TB, the crankcase will never see any type of serious vacuum.
     
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    Then vent is opened it goes the other way instead and gets drawn in pre turbo were all the vacume is remmber there are 2 holes and the stock 22rte was and after thought and did not last long and it pushed far less power and had a lower comp ratio and pushed 7 psi and lower cfm from the turbo so in the end toyota figured it was fine.

    Ps most factory turbo cars dont even have pcv valve
     
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    Ah. Good point.
     

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