And here.... we... go.

Discussion in '1989-1995 Build-Up/Project Threads' started by Litneon, Mar 26, 2010.

  1. Litneon

    Litneon Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Finally got a new "better" quality radiator. And by that I mean, it cost more, hopefully the core is not epoxied like the last two crap Chinese radiators. They promised it wasn't....

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    Polished it out. You can see the new head sitting there too.

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    Sneak preview of the intercooler I'm building. Man, Mini's are tight when they are bagged...


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    I also have a champion radiator, and I haven't had any problems with it! Hope yours is the same way!:waytogo:
     
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    I don't see the point on doing an inter cooler if you have water meth injection

    plus that looks to be very very small core and could choke you how much cfm does it flow ?

    I am getting ready to turbo mine coming up here just have to buy a clutch and all most likly do that tomorrow
     
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    Litneon Super Moderator Staff Member

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    It is a smaller intercooler (technically an aftercooler), but it is plenty big for the CFM that the 22re needs. You have to remember that the CFM does not go up as boost is added unless the gas is allowed to expand to a lower pressure.

    While it might be prone to heat soak easier, the smaller core is what will fit.

    And as far as the Water Methanol negating the need for the intercooler, that is also mostly true, except that any heat I can dissipate before the methanol is added only adds to the fuels ability to cool the charge, AND I can spray less because the temps are already under control at lower boost. Because of that, I can raise the boost number at which the methanol starts getting added, making the amount of mixture I can store last longer.

    What are your plans for your turbo install?
     
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    Toyota supra ct26 57to4e
    2.5 inc exhuast
    custom NM manifold
    snow perfoamce stage one meth kit running pure meth or low boost and straight water (we will see)
    controlled by the haltech
    87 octain
    2.25 boost tube with a 3 inc swell chamber
    no bov
    12 ish psi
    and use my NM cold air intake

    and turbo based cam shaft

    I going for the less lag root since this is made for auto cross and 12 psi all be in the good range on my comp map the ct2657 likes life at 15 psi i waan to get a to4e55 but well ya get what ya can get I say



    I am not sure how I am going to do the down pipe yet

    and yes Cfm does go up as boost is added in variable air pump it does have max thou befor the turbo is just way way out of range

    this is a good you tube about he goes really far with it thou

    How to Read a Compressor Map - YouTube
     
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    Litneon Super Moderator Staff Member

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    If you max out the volume that your head can flow at 1 atmosphere, then boost is the unused volume being converted to pressure. So, your CFM is not rising, your boost is. Pressure is unused volume. Now, if you unpressurized 100CFM @ 12 psi of air you would have more volume than 100 CFM @ 0 psi, but we aren't talking about that. Once you start adding boost, the CFM post compressor won't change, the extra volume will be converted to boost.
     
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    Litneon Super Moderator Staff Member

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    But I think you might be looking at this differently than I stated. I specified the need that the 22re has as far as theoretical flow. I read recently (wish I could remember where) that the theoretical maximum volume the 22re could flow was something like 265 CFM due to it's low VE.

    So, 265 CFM is 265 CFM at 0 psi or 100 psi.
     
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    nice build on your truck looks killer and super clean.
     
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    Got my intercooler and plumbing done. Now, just some minor tuning, and a few other little things in the engine bay and she's done. Weird, never thought I'd actually say that. (I do need to build my water methanol tank.)

    I also painted the intake manifold with my new Harbor Freight airbrush...


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    You can barely see the IC in the front of the wheel well. I have to play with some ducting to get a bit more airflow through it, but the temps under boost have dropped 50 degrees, which is great for the airflow it sees. If ducting air to it helps, and I can't find a clean way to keep the ducting there, I have a few James Bond ideas for increasing air flow.
     
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    I'd build some type of "scoop" in front of the intercooler that draws air from the bottom edge of the front valance, and maybe some from the valance/ bumper opening.
     
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    Such a clean truck. :waytogo:
     
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    Litneon Super Moderator Staff Member

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    It kinda has some ducting from the center openings in the bumper around to the IC. I pickup up a buddy's go pros last night and plan to do some testing to see what kind of air flow I currently get. As I said before, it has made a big difference in temps under boost, but at idle cruising slow in traffic, the temps are still higher than I'd like: 120-140 ish. Then I have a few ideas to try, one of which is the same as your's Nam.
     
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    Good god this thing just keeps getting cooler!!! how's that auto holding up?
     
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    So far so good. I've adjusted the shift cable to raise the shift points a bit to provide for a bit firmer shift, but other than that, I haven't had any issues.
     
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    Are you going to make like a defuser or spoiler type thing to pull the air up?

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    Not sure yet. I did some tests with my Gopro and a few streamers behind the core to see what kind of air flow it sees. There wasn't much difference between doing nothing, pulling the turn signal, or adding a small scoop. There seems to be a bit of flow through the opening of the middle of the bumper around the bumper brackets and out the wheel opening through the IC.
    So, I may add a puller fan to the core just to make sure there is adequate flow at lower speeds. If so, I'll use one of the programable outputs from the MS2 ECU to trigger it on above summer ambient temps.
     
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    Well, was doing some routine maintenance on the truck when I found this...


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    So I built this for a temporary fix until the turbo gets back from Turbonetics. It will be covered under warranty.


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    WOW!!! Apparently Ive missed a lot being gone for a year....this truck has always amazed me, clean all around...love what you have accomplished over the past year or so!!!!
     
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    Litneon Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Thanks. It feels like I'm heading backwards right now. It's going to be a long 3 weeks.

    With the turbo off, the exhaust sounds like poop.
     

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