C notch ?'s

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  1. Dcups

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    How big a C Notch can I run with out cutting into the bed? I still use the bed to haul stuff.

    I just need more room so I dont bottom out.
     
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    You really can't go far without cutting the bed. The frames are already pretty flexy so you can't go far at all with a simple pipe notch. That would make the frame even less rigid.

    I would say 2" max...... And that's for a full notch. If you're going to go through the hassle of doing that, just go all the way.

    I have an 8" notch and I believe that it protrudes into the bed about 6".

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    i've been wondering the same thing. what your probably going to have to do is raise the bed up. that what i think im going to do. and just mount everything under the bed. you could also fab up some bed rails to make the side higher and also be removable.
     
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    ya run a full notch and then raise your bed floor.
     
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    Litneon. i was wondering what you did with that brake asselmbly that normally fastens on the right side of the frame rail and has that rod that runs to the pumpkin after c notchin'? What exactly is that mechanism anyway? Looks nice by the way! near future mod for me as well.
     
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    That mechanism is called an L.S.P.V.(load sensing proportioning valve). The linkage that runs to the axle is responsible for telling the valve how much load is on the rear axle. The more Load, the lower the truck will sit and the more brake fluid pressure it will send to the rear brakes. If all of the available brake pressure went to the rear axle all the time, the brakes would lock up when there wasn't enough weight to provide traction, which would result in a tail spin.:eek:

    If you are going to remove it you will need to get a manual proportioning valve, Wilwood makes a good one which is available with the Wilwood name on it or through the Summit Racing brand which is less expensive (same exact product).

    One of the brake lines feeds the LSPV and one is a return line to the front brakes. You will need to remove the return line (not needed). Then the new PV mounts in between the feed line from the master cylinder and the rear axle. Adjust the new PV and you are in like Flinn (whoever that is).

    I'll post some pics as soon as I can...
     
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    Cool sounds good. thanks for the info!
     
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    Here we go...

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    You can see where I mounted my new proportioning valve, it's the silver thing hiding under everything else. Also, the braided brake line I bought is a little too long.
     
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    Just toss it! i've never heard of someone keeping it when they notch their truck. I have had mine off for 3 years and have never had any problems under hard braking! all you need is another brake tee and plug all your lines into that
     
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    Skip, thats what i like to hear..lol I dont anything crazy to happen but if your three years and running without it, ill give it a whirl. Im assuming its a normal T? It looks like 2 lines feed that unit but havent really looked closely as to where it all goes...thanks
     
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    There is also a potential problem with just using a tee.
    I believe that the master cylinder is a dual stage cylinder with a separate output for the front and rears. This is a redundant safety feature. If the front of the master cylinder were to go bad or you lost a front brake line, the rear would still get pressure or vica-versa. By teeing the front and rears together, you would lose all brakes except the e-brake.

    Just a thought.
     
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    My e-brake consists of my frame and my 1/4'' rocker lol.
    Here is a picture of how a mounted my tee and ran all the brake lines
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    thanks for posting a pic. much appreciated!
     
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    anytime man
     
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    LITNEON, did you leave your stock mounting points for the rear shocks on the leaf spring bracket? I saw you mounted them then to your new crossmember from your notches..do they still perform well? also, did you buy ur notches already welded or the piece together ones? sorry for all the ?? thanks
     
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    Nboost, There weren't that many questions.

    No, I didn't reuse the stock shock locations. They mount to a set of shock studs that I welded to the axle housing. And yes they ride great. Remember though that as you add angle to the shock, it lessens the actual ability absorb bumps, It doesn't change the valve rate, but the "felt" absorbsion changes, so you may need a slightly stiffer shock.

    I bought the kit from bagit.com I think, It was in pieces, which I prefer, it allows me to custom fab it. It makes for a cleaner install.
     
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    thanks a lot for the info...will be tearin into my truck soon.
     
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    I was thinking about raising the floor but my only issue is that i already LineX my bed...
     
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    how strong the c-nothing welds???
     
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    Sorry man, what are you asking?
     

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