too much lift in front, should I chain it?

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  1. switchhappy

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    I don't know if anyone has this issue but I just recently bagged the front of my 94' and at full lift the top control arm would hit the top bag bracket gussets so I grinded them down and they are good. But now the problem is that the truck still wants to get more lift and the upper arm is hitting on the bag and the zerk fitting on the balljoint is like 1/4" from hitting my wheels. I'm thinking of chaining the front but I'm not sure how. Has anyone does this or knows how to do it? here are some pics so you can see what I mean.
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    I can't really see how much it is rubbing on the upper arm. But I would probably grind more of it off. They look like they are in very good condition and have full oem strength to them. I have had some pretty rusty upper arms on some of my trucks and they still held up well.
    You may be able to just make a 2 cuts and bend over that lip that the bag is rubbing on.
    What size are your rims? And offset?
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    ive seen people run limiting straps in the front, chains are noisy and annoying. Also the balljoint is not going to get any closer to the rim then it is on the spindle, so that 1/4 inch wont change. The easiest way to run a limiting strap is from the lower arm to the frame. look into offroad limiting straps, they make them pretty much any length. Also a cooler option is to run tubular arms, they will give ya enough clearence for the bags and look better too. BTW what size bags are you running up front? what rim size/offset
     
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    What is your bumper height laid out and then up full?
    Unless you get tubulars, cutting is the only option. Just watch the zerk, and if needed, you can get a small plug and pull the zerk out altogether.
     
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    i wish i could have mine bagged and have these problems then not have them. LOL good luck man
     
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    :lol: i believe you're the first bagged yota owner to have more lift then they want! lol

    the upper hitting the control arm is pretty common. you can cut a good portion of the arm to help clear the bracket. and like dillinja666 said if the zirk don't hit thru the travel then it will be fine.
     
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    I'm running 18' with 215/35's I believe the offset of the wheels is 45, it had that number written on the inside of the wheel so I'm just guessing thats what it is. I have the 2500 Dominators, I love em's so far. About the bumper height, it's 3.5" laid out and 16.5" full lift, might go higher if the control arms didn't hit. The rims do tuck in quite a bit, never really liked it but I got the wheels for free so I'm not complaining. I've seen how the lowrider guys chain their front end but the control arms on the cars are pretty different than on the minitrucks.
     
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    your not lying! i can't hardly clear my tires with me and a passenger in it! i WISH i could worry about "too much" lift!
     
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    if you DO chain it, use nylon strap from like an offroad distributor. will be 10x cleaner and just as strong.
     
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    I'm not sure if the dominators have anything to with it but I get 13" of lift right now. where did you'll put your upper bag bracket? I did it like sadistic did in the the issue of minitruckin. only thing I haven't done yet is raise the lower control arm mount an inch like they did to clear the crossmember.
     
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    can you post some better pictures? i'm curious to see your setup now. mine smacks the bracket at ~90 psi. i'm thinking about trying to fit an re7 up front to lower the pressure a little and maybe grind down the upper mount.
     
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    Here are some more pics, hope this helps.
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    i wonder why yours clears so much, other than the bracket it looks the same as the others ive seen. i looked at mine and we built it so the bag was flush with the bracket so i cant grind any away, but i may be able to run slam 7's :) or dominator 2500 (as they swell, slams dont)

    what kind of pressure do you use to get above the tire just enough to turn?
     
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    And these are pics of it layed out and full lift. Thats me in truck:D
    I'm planning on doing bag on bar in the back so I can get crazy lift in the rear also, it's gonna be awesome. Gonna run Dominators also but 2600's.
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    dominators are what i'm running (2500's)and they don't seem to balloon like people think they do, if they do it's hardly noticeable. I don't have gauges on the bags to give you an exact psi but the front will lift to stock height with like 80-100 psi. These bags take very little psi to lift. I'll be at 200psi and lift it all the way up and it will only drop to like 170psi.

    here is a video so you guys can see it in action. This video is before I grinded down the arms, so right now it gets about 1.5" to 2" more of lift. This is at 200psi by they way.

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    thats sweet what size lines and valves did you use ?!
     
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    Measure from the center of the wheel to the fender when laid out and then up full. I didn't realize that you aren't bagged in the back, and that will fudge the numbers a bit.
    In comparison, I only get about 10.5" of wheel travel right now out of the front suspension. If I went back to stock spindles, I would get about 12" of actual travel. I fabbed everything up to lay on 19's or maybe 20's, so I've got an inch and a half up top that I can't use.

    Run it like you are, just don't drive for any distances all up. It will over stress the ball joints and they will wear out prematurely.
     
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    :eek::eek::eek: :drool:

    damn i'm jealous!!!!

    my 86 front bags are set nearly identical to that, and i'm only getting about 7.5" of lift at 120 psi on a old set of 2500's, but that is with a heavy 2jz up front.

    i know the dominators have 1" move travel so maybe if i upgrade it will get better. and also my bag brackets were done before i did the supra spindles, so they are taking away lift..

    i need at least 10" to untuck my 20's on my hilux. hopefully i'll get as much lift as you!
     
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    oh and i'd just recommend driving it at a decent ride height like litneon said. if it's bouncy i'd recommend adding shocks up front
     
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    1/2" line with 1/2" Shocker valves, they're from hornblasters.
     

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