has anyone here ever swapped a w58 transmission out of a old celica or supra into their 22re 2wd truck?

 

Its a bolt on (as far as I have ever found) if you have a different w5x trans just different gearing.

 

I may be wrong on this but the Tranny's out of the older Celica's and supra's will not work. The starter hole in the bellhousing is on the wrong side of the motor. That might not hold true with the 22re in our trucks but the 3vze will not work.

 

from what i have learned about this, and im sure shonuff will chime in with more details, is that the ones from a celica are totally bolt on. the overall length of the tranny may vary depending if you have a very old W50 style or the later W56 truck tranny. but, they share the same bellhousing pattern. the ones from the M engine supras may be the same, but the input shaft length and spline count may differ. and on the supras, being the exhaust ran down the passenger side, they had the clutch slave on the driver side. and cables/wiring may have been moved too.

 

They all share the same input shaft length and bellhousing to trans pattern. The only thing that is different is the shifter and gear ratios.

James

 

As long as it's from a 22R/E celica it's a bolt-on deal... If it's from a 7MGE Celi-supra you will need the 22R/E bellhousing and throwout bearing fork to make it a bolt-on deal...

 

you guys covered it pretty good


there is some length difference in the 5 speeds, but its more where the tranny xmem mounts then overall.

and the tailshaft/shifter housing is interchangeable on the same model. for instance there are at least 3 different tailshafts for the w58 that i know of. so you can switch stuff around to get the shifter location you want.


output shaft spline count is the same across the board, i have yet to meet a toyota tranny that is different.

 

Anyone else done this to a 22r .?

 

... i believe the bell housings will need to be swapped. but its an easy swap.

i've done one, but heard from many experienced 22r/e motorheads that its very simple. look at the bell housings, if they are different, then just swap them. like B.Y.E. said, dont forget the fork and bearing.
--the trick is---- i think with the trucks that originally came with a 4 speed, the original 4spd rear trans mount will not work - u will need the mount for a 5 spd.

i believe its any 5 spd NON turbo trans from celica, celica-supra, supra, manual trans early IS300 (these are rare)

side note- the shifters may be different. meaning they are in a different location in sedans than the trucks. people have cut the truck floor board to accommodate the shifter. other cases, people have swapped shifters and housings to maintain truck factory floorboard opening. generally, the sedans shifter location sits a little farther back than the trucks.

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Thanks for the reply i have currently taken mine out for a swap just a bit hesitant on the tailhousing i dont want to cut my floor board so i can just swap that end and will all be the same

 

I know its been mention here and there randomly, but ....

How can you positively ID a W58 tranny?

If I remember correctly, the only way was to turn the input shaft X# of times and count X# or rotations in a certain gear, to find out?

I was told when I bought my truck that it had a "celica tranny".... the speedometer reads wrong and the tranny mount is hanging on by only a couple bolts (too short). Ither than that, I have no clue which tranny it is and its due for a rebuild

 

That's a tough one. I knew mine came straight from an SC300.

 

I went off and untouched virgin mk3 88 supra and the vin plate under the hood

 

My plate says I have a 4-speed....

And I touched that supra

 

lol nice

 

The w58 in my 90 came from an 83 supra with a 5mge. I swapped the bellhousing and associated clutch parts with it. The overall length is the same but the shifter is about 2" further back than the old 4 speed was and the frame mount had to be modified so the rubber mount could be moved back. I cut and welded the frame mount so it was flat and drilled new holes so the rubber mount used the stock rear holes as the front and the new holes were for the rear. No driveline mods necessary.

 

Does this swap widen the gear spread, more like a sports car?

 

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No, sports cars have narrow ratios to keep the revs in a narrower range usually. general use/economy/trucks have wide ratios so they have more torque to get moving in 1st but keep the revs low while cruising in 5th/6th.

Every gear on the W58 is taller except 4th. They're also closer together except 4-5. The end result is 1-4 are closer/more sporty and 5th is taller for better cruising rpm/mpg.

As far as identifying transmissions, No: unfortunately Toyota didn't bless the manual transmissions with name plates or even a sticker to fall off. there are a few ways to figure it out though: external features such as number, size, and position of ribs to identify the family, counting revolutions of the shafts to get gear ratios to find the model, counting teeth, measuring bearings, and checking materials to determine age/details.

Over the years, there were a number of variants to the W58...steel or aluminum center plate, bearing size, gear tooth counts (with the same ratio), output shaft spline count and type, input shaft length (IS300 used a longer input shaft to accomodate it's dual-mass flywheel), etc. not to mention shifter type and position.

 

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I put a w58 out of an 85 celica it had a 22re in it I used it to put 20r in my 73 hilux worked great . Driveshaft length was the same. Had to make my own tranny mount. I drove that truck to canada 3 times and Florida twice . Then I blew my piston rings in my motor

 

i had an 84 celica gt and it didnt shift much different than my 93 toyota pickup i want to put a trans in my pickup that drives more like a car which trans should i put in it?