problems with my 4" speakers

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    i just recently put some infinity reference 4" speakers in the dash of my pre taco. i also have 2 6X9 infinity ref. behind my bench. heres the problem. i recently took my 6X9's out to make speaker boxes. i was driving the other day when the bass in the 4's started making cracking noises. now im driving wihout bass and it sux! (but its better than nothin) i havent taken the dash apart yet to look and see if there is something unnormal but wanted to see here before i did take the the dash apart. did sumthing happen when i took the 6X9's out or is it the speakers themselves? by the way.. my HU is the JVC G-320 with the iPod connector



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    Hey, No there probably isn't anything wrong with the 4's.

    I run a set of the reference series 4's in my big Mitsu Box Truck. They won't reproduce any frequency below 250 hz at any significant volume level. If you try, they over extend the excursion (or travel) of the cone and start breaking up. I run them on a 4 channel old school (late 80's) Lanzar amp at 150 watts per channel. They will flat hurt you!:D

    But to make up on the bass end, I was forced to build a fiberglass enclosure and put two old school Pheonix Gold 10's behind the seats. You should see the reactions I get on the job and in traffic when this old guy (29ish) in a box truck is bassing or blasting some Underoath or As I Lay Dying.....:eek:

    Even when you finish the boxes for the 6x9's I would recommend either turning the bass down on the head if you aren't running an amp, or Fading the volume to the rear just slightly so you don't damage the front speakers.

    They sound amazingly better with some power to them though....;)
     
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    ok thats good to hear... i may pick up an amp here eventually once my bank builds back up... i just made a couple of payments of 500+ so im hurtin now... :( thanks for the advise. how can i fade the volume to the back more though? ive got the speakers hardwired into the 4's

    by the way... thats funny... and 29 isnt that young! haha
     
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    Once you have the 6x9's back in, if the head is a four channel (FBLR), fade the sound slightly to the rear channels so that they are louder. Chances are that if they are behind the seat, they will be slightly muffled anyway and you can make up for that by turning the volume down slightly to the fronts.
     
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    the box for my headunit says its a 2 line output with sub W. output
     
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    Yeah, that's talking about the RCA outputs on the back of the unit. You'll use those if you ever get an amp, but I don't think you're using them now.

    BTW check ebay every once in a while for amps. You can pick up a used Lanzar vibe 4 x 150 watts per channel for less than $50.
     
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    i figured out the prob. they were gettin too much power... i put the 6X9's back in and they were fine again... i also got the boxes for them done and they sound great! they look decent for a newb.. not professional (a few cracks and screw holes here and there but u have to actually look at them to notice... ill post pics up here tomorrow... the bass pounds so hard that the speedometer needle bounces a little bit! haha cant wait to see what the neons do! haha
     
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    so its been a couple days since i said i would post the pics but here they are... sorry for the delay.

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    a few imperfections but they sound good so im happy with them... next ones i make will be cleaner...
     
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    Did you seal the corners with any adhesive caulk? I can't really tell.
     
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    no i didnt... i may do that though
     
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    Any air leaks can greatly effect the bass output of your speakers. Usually the only time you want "air leaks" would be through a port in a ported enclosure for subwoofers.
     
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    thanks for tellin me that... i didnt know if i should actually have vents for air to get in or not... so i just left the cracks open... what kind of adhesive calk do u recomend?
     
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    The best thing to do is to take the box back apart and use liquid nails or another construction adhesive. This does two things, One it seals all air leaks, and two it helps keep the panels from vibrating.
    With a speaker, there are two sound waves coming from the cone. One from the front of the cone and the opposite from the rear. Any part of the sound wave from*the rear of the speaker that mixes with the sound wave from the front will cause some cancellation of the wave. This is much more noticeable with lower frequencies in the bass or midbass classification.
    There are however times when you do want to port or vent the enclosure. Usually this techique is used to tune or load a box with a certain subwoofer/ enclosure combination. Porting a box can make the combo much more efficient at a certain frequency, but you must know all the speaker parameters and also know how to use them. There are computer programs that can help with this, I use Bassbox Pro from Harristech.

    So anyways, don't worry about porting this box, we'll talk more about it when you get your subs.......
     
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    ill do the liquid nails... what should i do about the little hole i had to drill to get the wires through to the speakers? just fill it in with the liquid nail? when i get subs im 100% sure im going to make new ones.... the ones i have now can be improved... and im probably going to carpet the box as well...
     
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    If you are worried about getting the wire out again, use silicone. It isn't as strong, but is removable. If not, use the liquid nails.;)
     
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    kk will do.. thanks for everything!!!
     

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