Difference between drop spindles and control arms

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  1. 93TILinfinity

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    Hello everyone,

    I want to drop my 1993 pu truck 2-3 inches in the front an rear. I will be removing the 14 inch oem steelies and replacing them with 17inch 2011 mustang rims. I had my truck on 20s for 3 years about six years ago with a 2 inch drop with blocks. I liked the look and ride but every now and then I'd hit a bump or pothole on the road that would make the truck hit hard. I removed the 20s due to the tire prices and lower mpg. I now want to drop it again but I want a smooth stock feeling ride that is safe. I've read several threads that mention control arms and spindles. I have no clue on what the difference is. I also want to know what is better for the rear, lowering leafs or blocks. I still want to be able to load and haul without it making it rub. I just want a safe and smooth ride. The torsion bar thing kind of scares me :D
     
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    The "torsion bar thing" is the cheap but it throws your suspensions geometry right out the window. Drop spindles are the safe and the "right way" to drop cuz it keeps your geometry in check along with ride quality. I'd hit up Beefedtaco. He sells dip blocks that are angled for your drive line and his kit comes with grade 8 u bolts I believe. Hope this little information helps I'm sure someone else smarter than me will chime in.
     
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    Stupid swipe.... Drop blocks lol.
     
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    Thanks lilred93. I heard of beefedtaco on other threads. Is he a person or a website? Can you send me a link?I tried looking it up and ran into custom tacos instead. And will the lowering blocks make the truck hit on dips? I heard beefedtaco also sells low profile bump stops but I'm not sure if that is the issue. Btw I love the matching lower valance look on your truck. When I paint my truck white again I am going to do that aswel. I seen other pu's with it and I instantly fell in love. Yeah my phone makes me look like a retard sometimes with auto correct haha
     
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    Yeah street tacos is beefedtaco's site and he is a member as well. You can buy shaved bump stops or do it your self.
     
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    Ok cool thanks. That's the website I found. They are fairly close to me I am definatly going to have to stop by. To still be able to load and haul stuff, will I need to upgrade the shocks? Is there some super heavy duty ones?
     
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    This is what I want to do to mine....Is get some bags just for the rear so I can still retain my ride height with anything I put in the bed. I had some in my 04 Dodge and loved them. It never sagged. But I'm sure you can find some heavy duty shocks somewhere.
     
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    That sounds cool. So have you ever lowered a truck with lowering springs or do you stick to blocks?
     
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    Spindles lower your truck and not affect the ride or suspension geometry. They theoretically just lift where the tire is mounted to the suspension. The spindles I believe are cheaper and only drop 2 inches.

    Lower control arms shouldn't affect ride, but may alter suspension geometry. The LCA's, at least the DJM ones lower it 3 inches. I have both on mine and a ball joint flip and still was able to get it back to spec on alignment. Think the spindles were easier to install also.

    As for the rear, with just 2-3 inches I'd go with blocks. Cheaper and won't affect the capacity of the truck at all since you'll still be running the stock spring.

    I'm running the KYB Monomax shocks and love them. I'm awaiting my ordered blocks from beefed to go with my belltech lowered leaf springs. I've hauled a full load of tree branches with the lowered leafs and shocks with little bumping.
     
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    @ gr8kornholio I'm defiantly going to do the spindles in the front but I just don't want a bumpy ride in the back like when I had the 20s on. I still have the 2 inch blocks and bolts but I might order 3 inch ones from beefedtaco with the low pro bump stops. I'll check out those kybs too. I deliver big rig truck parts in my pu and every now and then I need to load a transmission so I need that load capacity still.
     
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    Then I'd do blocks out back. The only reason I'm doing both is to get to 7" of drop in the back.

    You can always check out some air shocks, I think they still make them. Had them on my S10 way back in the day.

    They also make air helper bags which look fairly simple to install. They are just used like a helper spring to relieve sag.
     
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    Oh wow 7 inches. What size wheel are you running? And I'm going to look up air helper bags see what pops up
     
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    They are going to be 15x7 with I think 5.5" backspace. 185/65/15 tires. Currently have the og 14x6 on there. The fronts rub when I turn.
     
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    Yeah pics please lol lets see it
     
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    15x7 with 5.5 inch backspacing is pretty close to the ball joint.
     
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    I don't have them yet. I'll double check the BJ spacing.
     
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    I crawled under there yesterday, not easy sitting this low. Won't have a problem with the ball joint, since I did the BJ flip they tuck inside my 14's.

    I did then turn the steering wheel to full turn and it does get awfully close to the LCAs. I'm now wondering if 15x7's with approx. 38mm offset will clear this. Also saw another post on here about tall blocks and 15's clearing the leaf spring plate so I'll be measuring that today.

    Any info from someone running 15x7's with 38mm or more offset would be helpful if they clear the LCAs. I do have the JDM lowered ones on there. Along with drop spindles.

    Otherwise, I may be doing some crazy wood fab this weekend. Lol.
     
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    Just wondering why so much offset?

    I did some eyeballing/estimating/calculating and it seems 20~25mm of offset would make the rears nicely tucked in and the fronts should not rub?
     

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