HO alternator build

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  1. Litneon

    Litneon Super Moderator Staff Member

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    So, finally decide which direction to go with my High Output alternator swap/build.

    After careful deliberation and research I have decided to keep the stock alternator with a few celebrated changes.

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    Got the new parts in from Boyle Future Technology in Auburn, CA.

    $138 shipped - 90 amp stator, new Heavy Duty rectifier, bearings, and brushes.

    Supposedly good for 90 amps at idle (if I remember correctly) and between 130-140 amps above idle.

    Can't quite figure out where this part fits though...

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    Just kidding. But anyway, My tired old alternator puts out about 12.15 volts at idle with a 40 amp load, so we'll see what the difference is when I'm finished.

    I am still working 10's, so we'll see when I have time to tackle this...:rolleyes:
     
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    jetas Grand Toyotaholic

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    Lets see how it goes! Seems like an affordable way to fixand upgrade a tired alt
     
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    Litneon Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Dang it! Its apparently the same thing I'm building. Except that you don't have to build it....

    Oh well.
     
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    Litneon Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Ok, some pics...

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    You can see what I removed, not too bad looking for having 217,000 miles on it. I started tearing it down, everything went smoothly. You can see there isn't much left of the brushes and the rectifier is caked with some factory spray that can't be good for heat dispersion.
     
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    You can see the stator leads sticking out through the case with rubber sleeves.
    You'll need these later.

    Removal of the case was simple, once the nuts were off of the bolts, some gentle tapping with a center punch and a hammer got everything loose. A small pulley puller would help remove the smaller bearing off of the rotor shaft, but I managed with a couple of screwdrivers.
     
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    Reassembly was pretty easy, the biggest hassle was getting the leads to fit in the place of the factory ones. These are twice the size of the originals, so the largest lead location on the case had to be opened up with a dremel so it wouldn't rub.

    http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/tech/alternator/

    You can see the difference between the stators and the rectifiers, I cleaned off a couple of the original diodes so you can see the difference in size. This matters greatly when it comes to the heat it can handle. There are a lot of rebuilt "High Output" units that only come with the 90 amp stator with nothing else upgraded.

    The final outcome is great. I could only get a 40 amp load on it when I took the pic, but at 40 amps, you can see the voltage is awesome!:D
    In fact that may be why the amperage was lower with the same load...

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    My amplifiers and compressor are very happy. :D
     
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    for 349 you can get a chrome gm 3 wire from mechman. mine reads 327 amps at 2000 rpms. all i needed was my welder to make it fit lol
     
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    Good photo's on your build!
    I hope your alternator last, as I had my stock one rewound to higher output,was told that it would be around 140amps.
    It lasted around a year than cooked the rectifiers, which were replaced @ that time.Tested out put close to 100, lasted another year.
    So back to researching, what I found out:
    1)the stock cases are way to small to get the windings needed for a high out put
    2)the stock unit doesn't trigger out put until rpms are up , so little @ idle
    3) there are only two choices at the size of rectifiers, stock & oversize, that will fit these cases
    My end result was going to a 3-wire GM 12si unit with a 150 amp out put & a true 100amps @ idle,also my battery is very big, 1500 amp hours Odyssey start/deep cycle & the battery leads are 2ga
    I do have a lot of load ,air pumps,amps,electric fan,HID head lights,etc.
    Maybe yours will out last mine.:cool:
     
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    How is this build holding up? I am having an issue with my battery dying if I drive my truck while the compressors are going. I had to push my truck 4 blocks home the other night. Not too fun and looking for a good fix.
     
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    Haven't had any issues. I don't remember how long ago that was, the OP will have a date on it....

    Still makes good power.
     
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    Awesome! I need to figure this out. Are you using a standard battery or an Optima?
     
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    Litneon Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Optima Yellow Top. Going on 7 years now. Same battery.
     
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    that seams to be whye wound stater why did not go for a delta and smaller pully ????

    i did the 7mgte supra alt swap it was rather easy not sure on it wind but it was high output 140 amp

    i have pic's of the swap the pullie swap right over and i had to use a spacer if remember right
     
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    140 amps at idle? Most HO alternators are rated at peak current, kinda like crappy amplifiers are rated at peak wattage.
     
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    I bought a load boss bolt in for $200 I think at 200 amps peak. Runs my 2 compressors and keeps my 2 blue tops charged.I didnt even have to get dirty.:thinking:
     
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    I might have to purchase one of those Load Bosses and a Optima battery. I cant seem to run my truck and compressors at the same time.
     
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    that really depends on the wind

    wye is for low rpm dealt is for high rpm

    so if you take a delta and put a smaller pully on you get more amps since you are speeding up the alternator at low rpm
    since it has 3 ways of letting current out in stead of one
     
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    If I understand the theory correctly, the Wye would create more voltage at lower RPM's allowing it to be more usable for normal engine use. The Delta generator windings would require higher RPM to start charging, but (if the windings are of adequate size) would potentially create higher peak amperage.
    If you used a smaller pulley, like you said, you could get that voltage at a lower engine speed, but will create more load on the engine at the same output until you overcame the current capabilities of the Wye windings.
     
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